Martin Scorsese on GOODFELLAS

In this video, director Martin Scorsese discusses his iconic film, GOODFELLAS, his first viewing of the influencial 1931 film THE PUBLIC ENEMY, the idea of GOODFELLAS fitting in to a film "lineage of outlaws," and the danger of exuberance leading one astray into a world of crime and violence.

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the desire to make a picture like Good

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the desire to make a picture like Good
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Fellas or certain aspects of Mean

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Fellas or certain aspects of Mean
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Streets for example come I always felt

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Streets for example come I always felt
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that Mean Streets 2 was a picture that

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that Mean Streets 2 was a picture that
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was in the tradition of the Warner

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was in the tradition of the Warner
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Brothers gangster films in a way but

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Brothers gangster films in a way but
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Good Fellas is a better example because

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Good Fellas is a better example because
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it was made 90 91 or 90 I think and we

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it was made 90 91 or 90 I think and we
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um very

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um very
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simply trace the lineage right past

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simply trace the lineage right past
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right to the 40s um of the gangster

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right to the 40s um of the gangster
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films by Ral Walsh, the films coming out

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films by Ral Walsh, the films coming out
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of Warner Brothers, particularly Roaring

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of Warner Brothers, particularly Roaring
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20s, um down to the early through the

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20s, um down to the early through the
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30s, but particularly two films um

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30s, but particularly two films um
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Scarface and Public Enemy. In Scarface,

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Scarface and Public Enemy. In Scarface,
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you have an interesting situation where

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you have an interesting situation where
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um these characters who are really

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um these characters who are really
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despicable are presented in such a way

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despicable are presented in such a way
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that you like them. And that was the

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that you like them. And that was the
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key. You see, that's the first movie I

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key. You see, that's the first movie I
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saw that made me realize that uh gee,

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saw that made me realize that uh gee,
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it's the same dilemma I have basically

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it's the same dilemma I have basically
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because I grew up around a lot of these

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because I grew up around a lot of these
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guys. kind of they're not all like Paul

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guys. kind of they're not all like Paul
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Mun was or George Raph was in that film

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Mun was or George Raph was in that film
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or they're all like Henry more like

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or they're all like Henry more like
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Henry Hill and where I grew up in a way

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Henry Hill and where I grew up in a way
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um and Paulie for example played by Paul

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um and Paulie for example played by Paul
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V played by uh Paul Cervino and

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V played by uh Paul Cervino and
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uh I I understood that and I also

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uh I I understood that and I also
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understood them as human beings and so I

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understood them as human beings and so I
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know that they came out of a tradition

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know that they came out of a tradition
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though of outlaws in a way uh which is

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though of outlaws in a way uh which is
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something that's been very popular in

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something that's been very popular in
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American culture all the way back to the

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American culture all the way back to the
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19th century in fact we take it all the

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19th century in fact we take it all the
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way back to musketeers of pig alley um

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way back to musketeers of pig alley um
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by Griffith, but also I always took it

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by Griffith, but also I always took it
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even further which was the great train

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even further which was the great train
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robbery because basically in the great

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robbery because basically in the great
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train robbery they rob they commit this

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train robbery they rob they commit this
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great robbery and then at the end the

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great robbery and then at the end the
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police get them all and somebody in the

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police get them all and somebody in the
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last shot fires a a gun right into the

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last shot fires a a gun right into the
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camera. That's why I have Joe Peshy

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camera. That's why I have Joe Peshy
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firing the gun at the end into the

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firing the gun at the end into the
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camera of um Good Fellas in the sense

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camera of um Good Fellas in the sense
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that basically in Good Fellas it's a

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that basically in Good Fellas it's a
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bunch of outlaws who do this incredible

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bunch of outlaws who do this incredible
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robbery and they all kill each other and

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robbery and they all kill each other and
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the police get them at the end. It's

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the police get them at the end. It's
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exactly the same story. Now, the first

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exactly the same story. Now, the first
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real gangster picture that I saw was

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real gangster picture that I saw was
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Public Enemy, and my father took me to

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Public Enemy, and my father took me to
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see that. It was on a double bill with

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see that. It was on a double bill with
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Little Caesar. Little Caesar's good, but

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Little Caesar. Little Caesar's good, but
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I thought Public Enemy was more

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I thought Public Enemy was more
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truthful. And uh some people say it's

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truthful. And uh some people say it's
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crude the way it's shot, but I don't

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crude the way it's shot, but I don't
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think so. I don't think so. And you

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think so. I don't think so. And you
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never you never see the violence. It's

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never you never see the violence. It's
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always off camera. And we understood we

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always off camera. And we understood we
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my father there was a was like a

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my father there was a was like a
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basically he he was with those people.

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basically he he was with those people.
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He was he was around them all the time.

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He was he was around them all the time.
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He grew up with them. So basically, he

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He grew up with them. So basically, he
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knew that that was the truth. Uh you

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knew that that was the truth. Uh you
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could call him Tom Powers, you could

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could call him Tom Powers, you could
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call him anything, you know, could put

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call him anything, you know, could put
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any ethnic uh name up there. It's

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any ethnic uh name up there. It's
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basically the same thing. It's basically

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basically the same thing. It's basically
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the moment where he tells his brother,

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the moment where he tells his brother,
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"They didn't pin, you know, uh they pin

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"They didn't pin, you know, uh they pin
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medals on you for killing those Germans

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medals on you for killing those Germans
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over there, you know, and you get medals

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over there, you know, and you get medals
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and I get what, you know, I'm I'm I'm

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and I get what, you know, I'm I'm I'm
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not to be respected." You understand? I

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not to be respected." You understand? I
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mean, it's that kind of thinking and

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mean, it's that kind of thinking and
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it's the thinking of putting food on the

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it's the thinking of putting food on the
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table, protecting your family, and then

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table, protecting your family, and then
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it goes out of control. It's very funny

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it goes out of control. It's very funny
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because I must say again where I grew up

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because I must say again where I grew up
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some of the some of the best

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some of the some of the best
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entertainment I had was listening to

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entertainment I had was listening to
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some guys on street corners tell

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some guys on street corners tell
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stories. The oral tradition and

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stories. The oral tradition and
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self-deprecating funny and some of the

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self-deprecating funny and some of the
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toughest people I've ever seen do this

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toughest people I've ever seen do this
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too uh tell stories with the greatest

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too uh tell stories with the greatest
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humor about human nature that is so

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humor about human nature that is so
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funny. you know, human nature granted

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funny. you know, human nature granted
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under uh strange

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under uh strange
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circumstances, very odd, not your

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circumstances, very odd, not your
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average circumstances, but still to get

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average circumstances, but still to get
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the humor out of it and to bring the

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the humor out of it and to bring the
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humanity out of it was quite something.

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humanity out of it was quite something.
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You know, you forget, of course, that

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You know, you forget, of course, that
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they're killing people or they're

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they're killing people or they're
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robbing they're robbing somebody's

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robbing they're robbing somebody's
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house, but uh to hear some of the

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house, but uh to hear some of the
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stories and uh the humor, it's like

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stories and uh the humor, it's like
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prison humor in a way. I I don't know

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prison humor in a way. I I don't know
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what to say. So, Joe Peshi said one day

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what to say. So, Joe Peshi said one day
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he said, "Morny, they think your movies

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he said, "Morny, they think your movies
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are funny in prison. They they that's

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are funny in prison. They they that's
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it. Not audiences. Regular not regular

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it. Not audiences. Regular not regular
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convicts think they're funny. That's I

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convicts think they're funny. That's I
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said what you want me to do. But he um

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said what you want me to do. But he um
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but you know that's that's what it is.

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but you know that's that's what it is.
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That's what the trick of that film was.

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That's what the trick of that film was.
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The idea of the humor to in a

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The idea of the humor to in a
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way I was exploring how I could still be

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way I was exploring how I could still be
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feeling endeared to people like that

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feeling endeared to people like that
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because I grew up around them and yet I

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because I grew up around them and yet I
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know what they do. You know it's it's

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know what they do. You know it's it's
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that dichotomy. I can't I can't bring

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that dichotomy. I can't I can't bring
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the two together. You know granted in

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the two together. You know granted in
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the film at a certain point the minute

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the film at a certain point the minute
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they kill Billy Bats Frank Vincent it's

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they kill Billy Bats Frank Vincent it's
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downhill. I think I brought more of

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downhill. I think I brought more of
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almost like a documentary attitude

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almost like a documentary attitude
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towards it. I wanted to show you the

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towards it. I wanted to show you the
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star of the movie is a way of life, not

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star of the movie is a way of life, not
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a character. Somebody uh commented that

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a character. Somebody uh commented that
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it's like Scarface without Scarface, but

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it's like Scarface without Scarface, but
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that's what it is. Yeah, we don't need

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that's what it is. Yeah, we don't need
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Scarface in the film. You know, it's the

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Scarface in the film. You know, it's the
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way of life if you grow up around that.

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way of life if you grow up around that.
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Um what I wanted to show you was

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Um what I wanted to show you was
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um the danger of the exuberance of that

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um the danger of the exuberance of that
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kind of life. At first, you see the

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kind of life. At first, you see the
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danger of the exuberance, the danger of

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danger of the exuberance, the danger of
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the excitement. When you're young, you

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the excitement. When you're young, you
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think you're you think you're going to

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think you're you think you're going to
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live forever and you, you know, you

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live forever and you, you know, you
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think you're tough and you could take a

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think you're tough and you could take a
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few more shots in the head than somebody

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few more shots in the head than somebody
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else could. And so, you you think you're

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else could. And so, you you think you're
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tougher than the other person. Well,

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tougher than the other person. Well,
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eventually, if you don't use your brain,

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eventually, if you don't use your brain,
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you know, you're not going to wind up

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you know, you're not going to wind up
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anywhere. That's what happens with the

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anywhere. That's what happens with the
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Joe Peshy character. And I think the the

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Joe Peshy character. And I think the the
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danger of the excitement of that

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danger of the excitement of that
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lifestyle is what I grew up around. And

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lifestyle is what I grew up around. And
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I saw a lot of people uh disappear

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I saw a lot of people uh disappear
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